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June 26, 2004


Hi Steve,
This is genius stuff and you must have taken it to heart. This is exactly what I felt you did in responding to my post about churches and planning. I realized from your comment that I hadn't been very balanced in my post and, yet, I didn't feel ashamed or taken to task, but I did see that I needed to seek forgiveness. I could sense that there was love there and correction too. Thank you.

Well Karen - I'm glad that I was able to have a positive effect!

And yes, I think there is a good bit of genius in Ignatius' answer to Brandao. His answer is the application of concepts that originate in his other writings. What I like about his approach to correction is that it is practical. It is a concrete way (though perhaps, not the only way) we can approach living in a church where believers are not all on the same spiritual level, where we have a diveristy of views. It respects the person holding the error, and it recognizes that approaching that person in a certain way could drive them into further error. And it puts a responsibility back on the person doing the correction - are we qualified to correct someone, and do we have a loving relationship to the person? It also reinforces Ignatius' view that idle words are of no use and don't need to be spoken.

I've only been reading blogs for a short time now, and this is one I am visiting more frequently and enjoy very much. This particular entry reminds me of a more contemporary take on the spirit of this teching of St. Ignatius.

In his book "Spirituality of the Beatitudes" Fr. Mike Crosby, OFMCap. writes that "Correction without care equals control." I had the privelage of attending a retreat led by Fr. Mike based on this book about six years ago, and this phrase has really stuck with me. Basically, the way I understand that saying of Fr. Mike's is that until I can communicate my care for the other person, any sort of "correction" will be experienced by that person as control, and they will react accordingly.

For myself, I have experienced the truthfulness of this saying both as the "corrector" and the "correctee." And I agree with Steve that St. Ignatius provides a wonderful way of being in community with each other, as evidenced by this bit of advice.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and journey and I hope to share in the dialogue more often.


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